韋那威其 Vi-na-uy-ki - 㨂𢵰𧵑𠊛用 [vi-hani]

討論準化:Đó

2017-05-16T20:39:10Z

KTran98：

𣔧
# 𣔧 --[[成員:Rly189|Rly189]] ([[討論成員:Rly189|討論]]) 02:00, 次四, 𣈜10𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

妬
# I choose this because this is the easiest to write and the most common one used in the past. --[[成員:KTran98|KTran98]] ([[討論成員:KTran98|討論]]) 03:38, 次四, 𣈜17𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

討論準化:Đó

2017-05-16T20:38:46Z

KTran98：

𣔧
1. 𣔧 --[[成員:Rly189|Rly189]] ([[討論成員:Rly189|討論]]) 02:00, 次四, 𣈜10𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

妬
# I choose this because this is the easiest to write and the most common one used in the past. --[[成員:KTran98|KTran98]] ([[討論成員:KTran98|討論]]) 03:38, 次四, 𣈜17𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

討論準化:Nhà

2017-05-02T02:45:44Z

KTran98：/* {{discussion}} */

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=={{discussion}}==
* '''家'''
#“家”、“茄”二選一。--[[成員:井浩澤|井浩澤]] ([[討論‐成員:井浩澤|討論]]) 10:15 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
#Is 家 like a kunyomi here? Whatever I prefer to 家. [[成員:Truongsom|Truongsom]] ([[討論‐成員:Truongsom|討論]]) 10:40 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
#這是少數幾個我支持用訓讀的字（也許不是訓讀）。Though 訓讀, I support it anyway.--[[成員:Keepout2010|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010|討論]]） 11:10 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
# I generally use 家 because it only has 2 readings and 'gia' is always easy to tell apart by context. -{{fbu-cvd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 20:56 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# I use 家 for Nhà. - {{fbu-jkw}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 12:29 𣈜5𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# I choose 家 if not misleading -- [[成員:Congdantoancau|Congdantoancau]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau|討論]]) 02:35、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

* '''茹'''
# "如" for pronunciation, "艹" for meaning. It is a reasonable and frequently used Nom. --[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:05 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-chd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-lg}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# 茹. - {{fbu-zag}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-aasq}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# now I use 茹. {{fbu-nvk}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 20:56 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# 茹 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:50 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# This is more commonly used, therefore I choose this. --[[成員:KTran98|KTran98]] ([[討論成員:KTran98|討論]]) 09:45, 次𠀧, 𣈜2𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

* '''伽'''
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-gh}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}

* '''茄'''
#“家”、“茄”二選一。--[[成員:井浩澤|井浩澤]] ([[討論‐成員:井浩澤|討論]]) 10:15 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-chd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-lg}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:22 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/690462874319009/] - {{fbu-lhh}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# 茄. -{{fbu-tc}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# This question is a little more difficult than the others, as there are two characters very commonly used. 菇 and 茄. Both are characters used as sound loans (the first means "fungus" and the second "aubergine", and the HV sound isn;t very close either. The three Vietnamese Classics, Luc Van Tien, Truyen Kieu, and Chinh Phu Ngam all have 茄, but the Tam Thien Tu, Huinh Tinh Paulus, Bonet, and Genibrel all have 菇. However I would still suggest the usage of the Vietnamese classics over the dictionaries and go for 茄 as my choice. - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 20:56 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# I prefer 茄. - {{fbu-nm}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 12:29 𣈜5𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}

* '''Other'''
:* 庌
:# I usally stick with the most common character, but I avoid loan characters. Both 家 gia and 茹 nhự are loans, so we have to choose the etymon 庌 nhà. Both meaning and sound do not fit, so using 庌 would be better. I was using 家 long time before, and then switched to 庌 .. I never used 茹, because it has the wrong radical, and a completely different sound. characters pronounced nha should have a phonetic pronounced nha . and not như. - {{fbu-sd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 20:56 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}

體類:𡨸𣗓確定

2017-05-02T02:31:51Z

KTran98：

低羅名冊𧵑各𡨸𣗓確定。

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助𢴇:𠬃票

2017-05-02T02:30:43Z

KTran98：

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2017-05-02T02:28:44Z

KTran98：

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討論準化:Tôi

2017-05-02T02:16:40Z

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=Tôi¹=
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=={{discussion}}==
* '''碎'''
# i normally use 碎. - {{fbu-dd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:10 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# I will use 碎 for Tôi (I, me ...) and (臣卒) for: Bề tôi (courtiers). / In this case I will use 碎. - {{fbu-chd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# I use 碎 for "I, me". - {{fbu-lhh}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# --[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
# 碎. there is only this one character listed in giúp đọc Nôm và Hán Việt. anything which is missing there I regard as super-rare. and therefore I would never choose it. - 12/27, 8:59pm {{fbu-sd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:08 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# Ok… now I could check Truyen Kieu, Luc Van Tien, Tam Thien Tu, Ngu Thien Tu, Taberd and Huinh Tinh Paulus all have 碎. I've seen this one 臣卒 once, I think in the Nhat Thien Tu, I would choose 碎. / Yes, that was actually the original meaning of the word, I think, before it became a general word for "I", and in texts like Truyen Kieu it has shades of that meaning. I would say it's a bit like saying "your humble servant" instead of "I" in English. I think many texts will use 碎 for all of the different shades of meaning. / yes, that one. - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:08 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# i prefer 碎 because it is the most common on old texts.....but for purposes of differentiation from standard Chinese i will accept the usage of 亻碎. - 12/27, 3:47pm {{fbu-aasq}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:25 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/686641638034466/] How can there be any doubt that it is something else than 碎? / yes 碎, only in Neo-Nom I would maybe use 倅. {{fbu-tn}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:32 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# Hi，for "me/I" you can use”碎“, others can be accepted but this is best choice. - {{fbu-nnt}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:40 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# This character simplest - [[成員:Congdantoancau|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau|討論]]) 02:44、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
# This character is the most commonly used and the simplest out of the 2 most voted. --[[成員:KTran98|KTran98]] ([[討論成員:KTran98|討論]]) 09:16, 次𠀧, 𣈜2𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

* '''𪝬'''（亻碎）
# Though 碎 may be the most traditional one, I prefer to adding 亻 to make the meaning clearer.-[[成員:Keepout2010|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010|討論]]） 12:05 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
#形聲兼得，且不失美觀，此為最佳。--[[成員:井浩澤|井浩澤]] ([[討論‐成員:井浩澤|討論]]) 12:22 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
# since CJVK-ExtC was available, I prefer 𪝬（亻碎） for both 我 and 臣. - {{fbu-nvk}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/686641638034466/] - {{fbu-vqhn}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/686641638034466/] - {{fbu-exjj}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/686641638034466/] - {{fbu-gh}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/686641638034466/] - {{fbu-cbq}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# I prefer 񣑌 (亻碎) but since it's not yet encoded I replace it with 碎 or (colloquially) 倅. - 2/27, 5:22pm {{fbu-cvd}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:25 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
# I often use 亻碎 when writing "tôi" in Nôm. - {{fbu-nl}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:56 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
# [[成員:Truongsom|三木齋]] ([[討論‐成員:Truongsom|討論]]) 18:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)

* '''𫇈'''（臣卒）

* '''Other'''
:* 倅
:# I will use either 倅 or 吾+卒. / then it would be 倅 as the other character is extremely rare. / then the middle ooe is 石 and mean rock and again what is the point in having such one in there. Wouldn't 倅 make more sense. - {{fbu-zag}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
:# [[成員:Truongsom|三木齋]] ([[討論‐成員:Truongsom|討論]]) 18:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
:* 卒
:#Just aS 卒 IS ok. / 卒就可以，没必要用碎. 但我认为用碎也没有错，只是选择而已！ - {{fbu-tc}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 09:40 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}