討論準化:Cái - 歷史𠊝𢷮

SaigonSarang：𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

2025-03-25T08:59:46Z

𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶15:59、𣈜25𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔3：		𣳔3：
	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	* '''丐'''		* '''丐'''
	# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# 丐 is ok - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:30、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# 丐 is ok - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:30、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
𣳔14：		𣳔14：

	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
	# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# “個” is evident - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:32、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# “個” is evident - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:32、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	=Past Discussion=		=Past Discussion=
	{{HideH\|Past Discussion}}		{{HideH\|Past Discussion}}
	* '''丐'''		* '''丐'''
	# 丐 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:42 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}		# 丐 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:42 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}


	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
	# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[Project:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>		# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[Project:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>
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SaigonSarang：𠊝替文本－「[[威箕𧵑眾碎:」成「[[Project:」

2025-03-18T14:16:41Z

𠊝替文本－「[[威箕𧵑眾碎:」成「[[Project:」

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶21:16、𣈜18𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔26：		𣳔26：
	# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[~~威箕𧵑眾碎~~:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論‐成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>		# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[Project:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論‐成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>
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211.157.161.34：/* References */

2014-05-06T00:23:36Z

References

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶07:23、𣈜6𣎃5𢆥2014
𣳔17：		𣳔17：
	# “個” is evident - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:32、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# “個” is evident - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:32、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	=~~References~~=		=Past Discussion=
			{{HideH\|Past Discussion}}
	* '''丐'''		* '''丐'''
	# 丐 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:42 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}		# 丐 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:42 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}
𣳔26：		𣳔27：
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[威箕𧵑眾碎:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論‐成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>		# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[威箕𧵑眾碎:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論‐成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>
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Congdantoancau：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-04-23T09:32:55Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:32、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014
𣳔15：		𣳔15：
	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
	# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
			# “個” is evident - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:32、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	=References=		=References=

Congdantoancau：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-04-23T09:30:47Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:30、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014
𣳔4：		𣳔4：
	* '''丐'''		* '''丐'''
	# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
			# 丐 is ok - [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Trần Viễn Fiơng]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 16:30、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）


	=Cái²=		=Cái²=

SaigonSarang𠓨𣅶09:06、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014

2014-04-23T09:06:49Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:06、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014
𣳔3：		𣳔3：
	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	* '''丐'''		* '''丐'''
			# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
𣳔13：		𣳔14：

	* '''個'''（亇个）		* '''個'''（亇个）
			# ''[http://www.chunom.org/pages/genibrel/#61 Dictionnaire Annamite-Français Génibrel, J.F.M., 1898]'' uses this character for this meaning. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:06、次四、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	=References=		=References=

西貢サラング𠓨𣅶09:03、𣈜23𣎃4𢆥2014

2014-04-23T09:03:15Z

@@ 𣳔1： / 𣳔1： @@
 {{cxd-t}}
 =={{discussion}}==
 * '''丐'''
 # 丐 [http://goo.gl/d7UB1A] - {{fbu-tn}} {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 12:42 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-04-01T07:32:56Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶14:32、𣈜1𣎃4𢆥2014
𣳔8：		𣳔8：
	# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''.		# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size: smaller">——討論𢟚[[威箕𧵑眾碎:𡨸記\|記𠸛]]呢羅𧵑[[成員:184.56.161.162\|184.56.161.162]]（[[討論‐成員:184.56.161.162\|討論]]・[[特別:Contributions/184.56.161.162\|㨂給]]）{{#if:03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)\|𠓨𣅶 03:58、次𠀧、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014 (UTC)}}。</span>

184.56.161.162：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-01-28T03:58:00Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶10:58、𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔8：		𣳔8：
	# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
			# 個 is a perfect match both semantically and phonetically. There are some varieties of Chinese (such as Teochew) that pronounce this character as /kai/, exactly the same as this word in Vietnamese. 个 would be more suited as a possessive derived from the general measure word, such as in Shanghainese/Wu ''geh''.

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-01-21T10:06:52Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:06、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔5：		𣳔5：


	* '''個'''		* '''個'''（亇个）
	# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# Chinese and Japanese all use 個, it would be better to keep consistent with CJK. --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:30 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
	# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)		# But in fact I want to use 亇/个. [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 16:57 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)